28 May 2002 More from the Carroll Star News...

From: "Fredric L. Rice" <frice@SkepticTank.ORG>
To: JPilkonis1@aol.com
Date: 28 May 2002
Subject: More from the Carroll Star News...

JP wrote:

> Fred,

Fredric wrote:

JP! Hey! You're still alive! That's got to be some kind of record. }:-} Just kidding.

JP wrote:

> I'm still working on my column about our visit with Susan,
> but a there are a few points I'd like to go over with you
> about it.

Fredric wrote:

She has a fairly well known reputation and a number of ex-followers have offered informative discussions about her, amusingly enough, over the years. She's basically a sales representitive of the Scientology business that has apparently been drilled in how to lie (TR-L, Training Routine Lie, or "outflow false data convincingly.") You'll find her giving the old robotic sales pitch at:

http://www.augustachronicle.com/stories/031499/opi_046-5301.shtml

And it would be amusing to ask her about TR-L and her "HCO POLICY LETTER OF 20 MAY 1970" which can be seen at

http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/latey.htm#5a

That "Policy Letter" describes _exactly_ why she's a [censored by flr]. You yourself are described in that "Policy Letter" and to her you're just an SP that's infested with BTs, not a human.

JP wrote:

> First of all, it struck us all what a terrible liar she was.

Fredric wrote:

<laughing> A _lot_ of ex-followers have said that. And during protests and pickets [censored by flr] to the citizens who stop to talk to activists, she did a wonderful job assisting the activists who [censored by flr]. Eventually someone inside of Scientology must have ordered her to stop it because I don't think I've seen any protest reports from Atlanta in a number of years that reported her coming out to "handle" the local citizens who stop to talk with activists.

They _drill_ on TR-L and yet it doesn't seem to help. Maybe it used to work before the Internet when one had to spend days checking references and facts yet now it's a matter of seconds to run down a claim.

JP wrote:

> She couldn't get her facts straight, she made some incredibly
> stupid errors, and it was a lie which made me walk out of the
> interview. The point is, she's really not very good at her
> job.

Fredric wrote:

You noticed. }:-} The people who actually were good at it have all left the organization over the past five or six years, according to ex-followers. One of the last was a guy named Andrew Milne who was able to piece together a fairly consistant pack of lies which took time to unravel and expose. That's also called "Dev-T" in Scientology: Develope Traffic. If you can get the SPs involved in taking time pinning you down to a lie, it's a "win" since the SPs aren't involved doing other meaningful (and suppressive) work.

Andy has since "blown" according to others which seems to be confirmed since he's dropped out of sight. When he left he took the last remaining brain out of the organization with him. }:-}

And tip a glance at Mike Rinder, the _head_ ringleader in charge of the Guardian Office / Office of Special Affairs of which Susan Web is one of his underlings. On local Tampa, Florida television news Mike got his lies fouled up and admitted on television that Lisa McPherson was dead _before_ she left the Ft. Harrison building. Prior to that he and his fellow crooks had been demanding up and down, swearing before Judges and gods that she died while enroute to an ER four hospitals away.

Woops! And Police Commissionner McCabe in Clearwater also reported that he had no choice but to issue immunity from prosecution to everyone in Clearwater before he could start getting the truth out of Scientology; McCabe's report on why he had to issue blanket immunity was included in his statement explaining why he had to drop criminal charges after Ms. Joan Wood, the Medical Examinor, repeatedly changed her autopsy findings after two GO/OSA men showed up at her residence and blackmailed her -- of which Ms. Wood also publically stated for the television press.

<heh> Only in America. And Russia. And South America.

JP wrote:

> Secondly, while our visit from that Narconon reps saw them
> vehemently denying any and all connections to the Church of
> Scientology, Susan Webb was MORE than happy to acknowledge
> ties, even financial ones.

Fredric wrote:

Man, I hope you got it all on audio tape. Such a tape would go a long way toward getting the organization's tax exemption status revoked -- which isn't your venue, I understand, but is mine. It could also get their license removed in California which is _also_ one of the things I've been working on.

It's being kept close to the vest yet the IRS is [censored by flr] of the 1993 "Closing Agreement" which got the tax exemption status approved. We might very well want to subpoena [censored by flr].

JP wrote:

> I'll share more with my column and am looking forward to
> your reaction.

Fredric wrote:

I'm sure it'll be fun! And amusing! And also informative. People have been looking out for new tactics being developed by the organization to try to counter the Internet and the general widespread dissemination of the very information that you've been putting into your articles: Testable, demonstrable, and well-documented facts not only of what Scientology's goals are but the aftermath of how they operate once their goals and true identy is revealed. Yet we've not seen anything new in years. I don't think the organization has learned a thing -- which is good. They do seem locked in to their written policies and thinking is just right out the window -- which is good.

Do you guys have any concerns that the organization will sue the local government and the State of Georgia for denying them their alleged "religious rights" to set up shop in town? If so I don't personally think it's much of a possibility and for a number of reasons, all of them public relations nightmare reasons as well as financial in that the organization is having difficulty paying its bills all over the world right now.

And in fact the dirty word "religion" has never been even whispered, it looks like, since what's at base is a notoriously criminal organization attempting tio sneak in to town under an assumed name with the obvious goal of rooking whoever they can find with money.